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Post by Tim Rose on Mar 21, 2008 19:23:25 GMT -5
Be cautious filling it out........Grey Fox section
Bruce is doing a study on Grey fox population and will use this survey to indicate a "decline" in Grey fox population... and then close or limit the harvest....
I'm not saying to fill it out incorrectly...I am telling you one of the reasons that the survey is being used for....
Please fill it out and send back
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Post by furbuy46 on Mar 21, 2008 21:22:28 GMT -5
They can close the season forever, but untill the yotes are gone, you won't ever have any gray fox. Looks like it is bye bye to the little fella. I sure enjoyed trapping them in the 70 s and eighties. They were thick as flies then. the yotes started moving in heavy in the late 70s then the gray fox went downhill from there. the DNr will never admit the yote is the reason for the gray fox becomming extinct.
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Post by foxcatcher1 on Mar 21, 2008 23:06:04 GMT -5
Just got my servey today. I marked "Don't know". I'm sure we will lose the season on them. It's bull crap for the guys at hoosier national forest as they have quite afew there.
Don
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Post by DaveM on Mar 22, 2008 4:49:54 GMT -5
I will just be honest and say where there are little to no coyotes, the grays are still around. The only thing to help the grsys would be an unlimited, no restrictions, year round season.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 22, 2008 7:25:30 GMT -5
I`m just throwing mine away. I`m not legally required to fill it out and if the dnr refuses to co operate with trappers then I refuse to co operate with them. this coyote fiasco tells me they havn`t a clue why there are no red or grey fox anymore and even less clue as to what would bring them back. they can protect them till hell freezes over and it won`t m,ake any difference,if they are too blind to see the coyotes are killing them faster than they can breed. they read this stuff, so here is my report right here. my coyote catch went to a big fat ZERO after nov 11th when dnr removed any market I had to sell coyotes. as did every other trapper I know except a few hobbyists. so the greys and reds are doomed anyway. so why waste my time filling anything out?
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Post by doyleflory on Mar 22, 2008 8:37:53 GMT -5
It is simple lots of coyote and no Grey or red fox they just can't compete with the yotes just to many. I don't trap fox and haven't for a long while but it hasn't help so will start taking the reds we have ,maybe the coyotes will starve or learn to eat geese and turkeys.We have way to many of them but then they bring in a lot of money.
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Post by Rwaddell on Mar 22, 2008 21:14:10 GMT -5
So much for managing the resource huh?
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 23, 2008 7:26:20 GMT -5
gary chided me for throwing my survey away ( no problem gary). but seems it has come out that the decision was made pre survey, according to a poster over on tman , as having been in a meeting with the dnr saying as much. they are getting good at that b.s. lately, decide what they want to do and then make the public or trappers think they thought of it.
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Post by doyleflory on Mar 23, 2008 8:59:25 GMT -5
In the late 70s and early 80s i would trap 100 fox and they would run about 50 50 now i would be lucky to find 20 fox on the same ground. Back then there was 50 other trappers in the same area and catching there share,now there is no one around but me. It is simple the yotes have eat them and if they close the season the yotes will be happy more for them.
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Post by mac6 on Mar 23, 2008 16:03:33 GMT -5
so i guess just throwin your survey away and given up is the answer? maybe if we all just throw our surveys away they'll just figure we don't care enough to do anything and then they can take what they haven't already.
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Post by Brad Collings on Mar 23, 2008 19:52:38 GMT -5
I have not seen a gray fox track in 15 years in parke co. in the 70,s my brother and i caught as many gray fox as we did coon in our 220,s. without a good control plan for the coyote DNR will soon be sending surveys to the small game hunters asking where all the turkey, rabbits an quail went.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 23, 2008 20:51:57 GMT -5
mac, i just have no faith in our dnr as being competant to run the wildlife issues anymore in a scientific mannor. they lost all credibility with me when they sided with antis on the coyote deal. you do whatever you feel you need to do. but in a couple or five years can I ask you,as dr phil would, "and how did that work out for you?" I`m not morally or legally obligated to fill anything out that will be used to further take away any more trapping opportunitys for me in indiana. let me ask you this, do you think anything you write, report or suggest will increase any trapping opportunity for you? we`ve all professionally and scientifically and logically argued our case about the coyote deal to no avail to date, so why would you think co-operation here is of any value at this time? lord knows we would all like that to change. when it does lots of folks will come back into the fold. till then, not me. plus they read this and I as much as filled mine out here for thnm to read already. COYOTE CATCH CUT BY 75% for lack of a market. next year, with no improvement, cut by 100%.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 24, 2008 7:12:53 GMT -5
was telling my wife about this thread. she said as she smiled " I`m from the gov`t and I`m here to help you". what else needs said?
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Post by mjkluesener on Mar 24, 2008 8:00:32 GMT -5
Got mine on Saturday, might look at it tonite.
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Post by furbuy46 on Mar 24, 2008 12:27:53 GMT -5
Bob I have heard those exact words before. What a crock! Heard it fron the USFW once. It was bull. It was over a bunch of river otter I had bought in the early eighties. The Goverment ended up owning the dang things. The problem of the whole mess, wasn't even my fault. It was a Canadien customs broker that made a mistake on some paperwork, fault. They helped me all right, right into my billfold.
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