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Post by wayne on Jul 6, 2008 12:48:13 GMT -5
>>Right or wrong, I think the entire running pen deal is on it's last leg not only in IN. but nationwide. It may linger around for another 10 years maybe at the most but it's quickly going to die out<<
After that will be the Beagle Clubs and Raccoon Field Trials, followed closely by hunting anything with a dog where the dog and animal make contact before the kill. You may be right that the dam is going to go, but there are alot of things downstream from that dam that will go with it. How much different is a running pen from a field trial? Or a field trial from actual hunting? At least to the general public. Indiana coyote trapping is in a world of hurt but we ain't alone.
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Post by jtrapper on Jul 6, 2008 16:06:35 GMT -5
Im very good at connecting the dots Wayne. Perception of a animal in an enclosure doesn't sit well with alot of people, even some trappers, vs an animal out in the open field with the possibility of escape from his / her pursuer's.
We are now 6 years down the road since live market trapping was shut down. The effects of it are being felt and game and fish are under fire over it from alot of different directions. Still the pen owner's won't negotiate so in their stubborness it remains shut down for the time being.
There was a opening and it's probably still open to get it back here LEGALLY but with all of the recent negative publicity going around that window is quickly closing for all party's involved.
Ive no doubt from the comments I read on here in the link that once this is over with the next move will be to do away with the live market altogether in IN. As it stands right now, you'll still be allowed to sell live animals during season. We can't even do that here.
Ive waited for 15 years for the anti group's to attack this one form of trapping and often wondered why they didn't. Maybe they are not as smart as we are led to believe? Im sure by now though it's got their attention.
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Post by doyleflory on Jul 6, 2008 19:29:11 GMT -5
Well i have been reading for a long ass time,what i have learned from this is who i can count on to cover my back.We can see who our friends are.
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Post by yoteskinner on Jul 6, 2008 20:49:36 GMT -5
J, Indiana has year round coyote trapping season. Part of that season coinsides with other fur trapping. The other part of the season (summer) requires the same trapping license ( NOT an ADC permit or license) and written permission to trap on land you do not own. Our DNR is trying to group the summer season under ADC regulations. These are 2 different licenses with 2 different sets of rules.
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Post by Chucker on Jul 6, 2008 21:05:24 GMT -5
Yeah Doyle i saw that as well..WQatch your back.Keep an eye on whos guarding the chicken house...Now how many will even bother to show on the 15th?5?10?50? Only the ones who sell to the live market?
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Post by trapperknox on Jul 8, 2008 7:50:36 GMT -5
Jtrapper, in response to your reply to my last comment: Well, what the HSUS did was send in guys with mini-cameras under their caps and filmed some guys trying to get a SICK cow to get processed. And they tried cattle rods and clubs so finally the idiots got a fork lift, just the HSUS uncovered what this meat packing plant was doing and got it deep crap. I was just saying that this plant was selling its meat to public schools.
Anyways... I seriously doubt that dog hunting will end just because the live market is done with. Why can't the pen operators just trap their own coyotes? I know people here that even here this jargon will sick their black and tans on these morons. All we have to do is toss a bunch of coon and coyote blood on these punks and let the dogs get a good taste of anti. Probably, get sick. See, the anti's suffer from a disease called... "no logical and stupidia"
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Post by wayne on Jul 8, 2008 9:37:49 GMT -5
If anyone is going to that last hearing for God's sake get the IF&WA harvest numbers for the last few years and take them along. They claim to have no idea how many are trapped and sold for fur and what they average in price. All my figures are 10 years old or more or I'd take it.
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Post by yoteskinner on Jul 8, 2008 20:44:09 GMT -5
I found some harvest info and value of harvested (pelted) furbearers for 2006.
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Post by furbuy46 on Jul 8, 2008 22:33:37 GMT -5
I send in a complete record of my buying in Indiana, each year. The amt. of animals bought and the av. price paid for them. Every buyer in the state has to do this or you don't get next yrs. license. It is supposed to be for the biologist in Ind. somebody somewhere has all the info you need. It may not be open to the public for veiwing tho.
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Post by jtrapper on Jul 9, 2008 15:58:18 GMT -5
Jtrapper, in response to your reply to my last comment: Well, what the HSUS did was send in guys with mini-cameras under their caps and filmed some guys trying to get a SICK cow to get processed. And they tried cattle rods and clubs so finally the idiots got a fork lift, just the HSUS uncovered what this meat packing plant was doing and got it deep crap. I was just saying that this plant was selling its meat to public schools.
Knox, i recall seeing that footage. They've also gone to work in chicken processing plants and shot footage as well. Several attempts to get inside running pens in the south also for many years with no luck until a pen owner got divorced and his ex. wife shot some footage for them that's been played around all over to dnr office's and anyone else who would watch it.
Furbuy, those records are available to the public, same as records from any activity I do while working for USDA! If the DNR doesn't want to release them they can get into alot of deep doo doo over it!
HSUS has a entire paid staff that does nothing but read over every single report of our's! I bet they know how many coyotes were caught in IN. also!
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Post by wayne on Jul 9, 2008 18:59:32 GMT -5
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Post by yoteskinner on Jul 9, 2008 19:10:24 GMT -5
I found some of them Wayne.
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Post by cowboytrapper on Jul 12, 2008 0:50:47 GMT -5
"The DNR is unable to determine the size of the population of coyotes in Indiana. An estimated 4,300 coyotes were trapped during the 2005-06 trapping season. The number of coyotes taken during the hunting and trapping season is not known since there is no bag limit and there is no requirement for the furbearers that are trapped to be reported to the DNR. Furthermore, there is no evidence to support that trappers have a large effect on coyote populations on a state-wide level in Indiana. In fact, research from other states has shown that when a local population of coyotes is hunted and trapped heavily, the coyotes in that area will respond by producing larger litters, thereby making up for the numbers that have been removed."
Lets see how it changes in a few years of people not trapping! I am sure the won't decrease in numbers!
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Post by trapperknox on Jul 13, 2008 15:59:45 GMT -5
With such a huge population of such a dominant predator good chance they wipe out every critter. But also imagine all the distemper and mange these buggers will suffer
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Post by jtrapper on Jul 13, 2008 17:38:08 GMT -5
You got it Knox, actually in time there will be less coyotes, what happened here. We're now on a management plan of letting them get so thick there's one on every corner till the mange/distemper kicks in then whole area's are wiped out with not a single coyote track to be found, followed by a gradual increase up to the same point as before then the whole pattern starts over again.
Once quail, rabbits, mice, etc are depleted in an area, larger game becomes the food of choice such as goats, pigs, cattle, deer, turkey, chickens, etc.
Not including watermellon farms in the southern part of our state being ripped to shreds, higher fertilizer cost, fuel, more depredation on their products, i dont see how they are surviving these days!
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