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Post by Tim Rose on Jul 3, 2008 9:03:17 GMT -5
www.in.gov/nrc/files/Item_4_July.pdfAre there for you to see (Coyote Issue).....at the end near paGE 180 OR SO, IS THE Hearing officers comments and the Dnrs in reguards to all comments made........ Grab some coffee and enjoy the sillyness... The FINAL HEARING is July 15th.......this is where it will be passed or failed... DNR did throw us a bone......they are saying that we can keep or sell yotes dead all season long
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Post by Tim Rose on Jul 3, 2008 9:29:00 GMT -5
ps......we would not have got a bone if we would have flopped, stayed home, and not shook the boat, sent in emails, etc....so for that WE win!
As for the other...WE'LL SEE!
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Post by DaveM on Jul 3, 2008 10:22:04 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that , Tim. Sillyness?? Oh yeah........ "The sheer terror on the coyotes face as it was being ravaged by beagles" "DNR will allow those engaged in the taking of coyotes year round to market coyote hides and parts throughout the year. This may result in increased marketability of coyote parts and may potentially open new markets to replace, at least in part, the live market that is being lost." Surely we can find a market for summer time hides to replace the live market. I'm gonna be rich.  |
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 3, 2008 11:21:29 GMT -5
skimmed it and read the last line, "hearing officer recommends passage" thought we had a chance till then. well, court, here we come.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 3, 2008 11:24:59 GMT -5
ps, no mistaking who our buddies are and are not, and who the dnr sides with, and it is no longer the sportsmen or public of indiana. as I submitted, that imo means heads need to role, dismissals of those given the authority to work for us ,who are now working against us. bad deal. no friends of mine anymore. sadly, they once really were my friends. I grieve that no longer exists.
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Post by wayne on Jul 3, 2008 15:07:03 GMT -5
If I can pull up harvest figures on Indiana coyotes why can't they? How can they say they don't know the rough totals?
All in all an excellent example of the anti's get out the votes machine at work. And just who is that "Sportsmens" group that was mentioned?
I think I'll raise my per head price again.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 3, 2008 16:46:46 GMT -5
it wasn`t the antis that got out the vote, it was the indsiana dnr feeding the newspapers to get the antui vote. they even hired a pr man to feed info to the papers. I hope the nrc sees that. so what does that make the dnr? what they don`t realize is their new best buddys don`t like anything else dnr does either.
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Post by SteveCraig on Jul 4, 2008 7:58:02 GMT -5
Tim,
It is sad there are so many ignorant people out there. And I am talking about the DNR!
Todays average joe public, we already know they are ignorant. They got an excuse.......growing up too far from the land.
But the DNR is supposed to know better, and are falling hook, line, and sinker for an anti agenda.
Like Bob said, what are they going to do when the Anti's come after them for raising pheasants and quail and turning them loose to be shot?
Ignorant is putting it mildly.
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Post by Chucker on Jul 4, 2008 8:01:43 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this Tim.It was interesting to see whos names were NOT on there...
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Post by trapperknox on Jul 4, 2008 9:28:57 GMT -5
Didn't read all of it. Just seem like the same jargon as before.
Hopefully, you guys will earn a win at the next hearing.
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Post by hgh1 on Jul 5, 2008 17:57:01 GMT -5
www.in.gov/nrc/files/Item_4_July.pdfAre there for you to see (Coyote Issue).....at the end near paGE 180 OR SO, IS THE Hearing officers comments and the Dnrs in reguards to all comments made........ Grab some coffee and enjoy the sillyness... The FINAL HEARING is July 15th.......this is where it will be passed or failed... DNR did throw us a bone......they are saying that we can keep or sell yotes dead all season long |
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Post by hgh1 on Jul 5, 2008 18:04:47 GMT -5
It's hard to believe that many people can talk about something they don't know about, go figure. I've been to field trails and even been a judge, never seen a coyote caught or killed. I also trap and have caught coyotes with mange and see how they suffer. But now days we base everything of how we feel and not facts what a suprise this world will wake up to one day.
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Post by jtrapper on Jul 5, 2008 20:48:36 GMT -5
Good testimony Tim!
This part by some nut though did catch my attention:
And several scientific studies have found that when
coyotes are heavily hunted, their reproduction increases and can actually drive up
populations.
Id request this nut to present such study's that show this or withdraw such claims!
Also he went on to state:
The reality is that coyotes are not the great
threat to Indiana’s farmers that the trappers would have us believe because coyotes are
generally NOT large animal predators. In fact, rodents and other small mammals make
up the MAJORITY of the coyote diet. Coyotes are beneficial to a healthy eco-system,
helping to keep in check many small prey species like mice that could otherwise overrun
an area especially farmland.
Id explain to him before the coyote arrived this rodent population reduction mechanism was called the red fox! Id also asked how the removal of this species by the coyote in any way shape or form is what's best for ANY ecosystem!
You guys have a big mess no doubt. Good luck in the future, I think you know the route you need to go with this.
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Post by trapperknox on Jul 6, 2008 8:54:54 GMT -5
Good point, j.
You know, I look back this 4th of July and think, "Is this what our forefathers died for?" Free speech for animals? Don't get me wrong the HSUs has stopped a few things that I agree with like hog confinements or that deal in Cali. 'bout that meat-packin' plant that sold meat of sick cows to public schools. That's something I can tolerate, but this... Hunters, trappers, and anglers all are backed up by logical facts and a good reason why we do the outdoor activities. Then these people come around. I think George Washington would have cried if he saw these people. I think ol' Benjamen Franklin would have had 'em deported.
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Post by jtrapper on Jul 6, 2008 11:09:42 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong the HSUs has stopped a few things that I agree with like hog confinements or that deal in Cali. 'bout that meat-packin' plant that sold meat of sick cows to public schools.
Not sure what your talking about but HSUS doesn't keep bad meats out of schools or anywhere else, USDA inspector's do! OR at the least suppose to!
Right or wrong, I think the entire running pen deal is on it's last leg not only in IN. but nationwide. It may linger around for another 10 years maybe at the most but it's quickly going to die out, just has too many elements about that are not popular with the general public. Plus it's a great fundraiser for the animal right's nuts.
I view it as a large dam that's starting to crumble, a crack appears and you go to patch it and before it can be patched up 3 more cracks appear. It in time will got the route of the chicken fights. Hope im wrong but it's just how I see it.
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