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Post by jeff1911 on Apr 5, 2017 18:07:22 GMT -5
anybody know what used ones can be had for?....and where?....trying to see what the investment versus the return will be to mill some trees instead of selling them...thanks
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Post by sawmiler on Apr 5, 2017 21:14:21 GMT -5
Take a look at sawmill exchange they normally have several used for sale My opinion, saw your speciality lumber Crotch wood, cedar live edge, sell to craft And hobby woodworkers Right now pallet maket is flooded, we are also on quotas on railroad ties Grade lumber markets are cautious, I.am able to sell everything, just not as much demand as their should be this time of year Lots of hard work Think ahead on how to get rid of slabs/sawdust Good luck
Sawmiller
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Apr 6, 2017 5:09:44 GMT -5
looked into at length several years ago. it`s all about can you sell the wood and at what price and how much hassle, like are the sales 1 board at a time after many calls and visits back and forth and cancelled times to see the wood finally the guy shows up and then has no money, the ck bounces bla bla bla. kind of like trying to sell indiana coyotes at fur sales. drive all over looking for a decent market and time you sell them the driving exceeded the sale value. imo better to work a deal with someone that already has a saw, or have some custom sawed and them market the wood to private individuals. see what and if there is a viable market before investing very much. what sawmiller said too. if you are thinking ash, most of it here is way too far gone to be worth anything at all. I was hoping they would deteriorate a limb at a time. nope, snapping off 1/2 way up and make a huge mess and danger to even be in the woods till they are all down on their own.
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Post by jeff1911 on Apr 6, 2017 17:53:38 GMT -5
a friend just bought 20 acres...he had 2 timber co.s come look it over.... the first said 10k worth of wood and he wants half to take it out....the second said 20 k and he wants half.....I told my friend that before i'd let them have half and tear hell outta everything...i'd cut it down and sell it as firewood....but we also both need lumber to build with so I thought there might be a way to buy a used mill, saw the wood and sell the mill again...I cant identify much of the trees without leaves, but he does have a lot of big shagbark hickory......
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Post by sawmiler on Apr 6, 2017 18:44:28 GMT -5
Get educated BEFORE you sell how many trees was the first logger taking? How many was the 2nd logger taking?
Cheaper offer may had been the best offer for the land owner if it was a very selective cut
Unless the job is a clearing job, I mark every tree with paint and include this tree count in the contract I encourage and offer to walk through woods with land owner after trees are marked and before contract signing
I encourage cutting all damaged, undesirable, and then the mature trees. Not a straight diameter cut
Keep in mind white oak veneer value goes up significantly when the logs are larger than 20 inch on small end
You can opt to use a consulting forester also.
Foresters are human also I know good ones and bad ones
Saw
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Apr 6, 2017 19:02:55 GMT -5
if you ever want/ezpect to cut again, or even ever have any timber worth 2 cents again, do as sawmiller says, cut the junk first, then the mature, and that`s all. further, if you cut all the high value species, then it`s like castrating all the tall guys and then thinking the next generation will be basketball players. cut all the thorns, pallet wood, low grade crooked or hollow. or at least girdle and kill the undesirable timber or it`s what repopulates the woods after the harvest. at the same time get rid of the grapevines and invasives. who ever is there 20 years from now will be a whole lot wealthier if you cut with a plan for the future instead of a how much is it worth today plan. the cheaper guy may well have been the best deal...or not. read up on timber management some before you do anything at all. there is a wealth of free info on the net and in print for free. here is another tip, get your 20 acres into classified forest and off the tax rolls. also apply at the local farm services office for grants from the feds and state for management. $$$$$. you can still harvest timber or fire wood and hunt/camp in classified forest. everything but burn it, graze it or build in it. no idea where you are located but it would pay you to get sawmiller or a forester there to advise you, even for a fee. rip is another good one to talk to. 50/50 split is a heck of a deal for you if the timber is lots of pallet and low grade stuff. if it`s high end walnut and oak veneer then it`s a real bad deal for you. you can have a closed bid auction and take the highest bid, but that could be a good deal or a bad one too if the logger rapes the place. bottom line, slow down, do some reading and make sure you don`t make a 100 year mistake.
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Post by doyleflory on Apr 6, 2017 20:02:36 GMT -5
good advice from both you will do well to take it.
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Post by doyleflory on Apr 6, 2017 20:02:50 GMT -5
good advice from both you will do well to take it.
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Post by jeff1911 on Apr 6, 2017 20:19:29 GMT -5
that's why I came here....for the good advice...scott county Indiana...sadly I wasn't able to be there when the buyer came and my buddy Is sorta disabled so he couldn't follow the guy around too much and didn't know the questions to ask....i'm trying to stop him from sellin any of it.hes tryin to see if its worth enough to sell...I hope he decides not....I will be back with more questions after the leaves come out and I can id whats there and whats dead . I still like the idea of buying a cheap mill and makin 2x4's...he needs sheds and I want a dome snuggled into that hickory stand.
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Apr 7, 2017 5:08:22 GMT -5
nothing wrong with a good harvest. trees are like corn or anything else..a crop. but you don`t pick the corn in july, or the following april. do it right and it`s money in the bank and totally renewable. do it wrong and what took 80-100 years to grow will never happen again and same as picking the corn and then paving the field...= no more corn ever again. harvest is a good thing, not a bad thing, but with a crop(trees) that takes so long to grow, little mistakes are long term big mistakes. was thinking of one thing, I want to see you drive nails in dried hickory. wet it`s not bad but then you`ll get a lot of shrinkage after the fact
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Post by ees2guns on May 3, 2017 13:37:59 GMT -5
Drill Baby Drill, [prior to driving nails in dried hickory]
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Post by jeff1911 on May 4, 2017 12:31:05 GMT -5
lol...I wont be using the hickory for lumber...
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on May 4, 2017 13:58:40 GMT -5
today I was thinking if you buy a portable saw, get one that floats. and then chain it to a big BIG rock.
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Post by mjkluesener on May 5, 2017 8:21:18 GMT -5
Get that saw up and running by Saturday. Everyone meet at Bob's and we will start on the ARK. Plenty of dead ash available.
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