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Post by foxcatcher1 on May 6, 2008 23:05:35 GMT -5
Guys we are catching alot of heat here on the live trapping gig. What would the odds of making a Live Trappers Association be? Maybe rally suport from other states were live trapping is more acceptable. I can't believe Il. is allowing it and we are not. It seems there is a need for that. I know in a world of corrupt associations that it would be the last thing we would need is another association but I think it might help. What are your thoughts.
Donald Wilson (not Don Wolf)
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Post by foxcatcher1 on May 6, 2008 23:06:20 GMT -5
I bet Jerry Joe would be a great Prez.
Don
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Post by Tim Rose on May 7, 2008 6:46:00 GMT -5
I could see a benefit for such group to be formed.
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Post by tonymalone on May 7, 2008 6:48:06 GMT -5
i can the benefit, but could it also lead up to divide, and conquer?
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Post by furbuy46 on May 7, 2008 9:22:06 GMT -5
LOL @ foxcatcher 1. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by foxcatcher1 on May 7, 2008 16:34:12 GMT -5
No problem Don man that was a mess. and again I didn't mean to get you involved.
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Post by Chucker on May 7, 2008 17:12:52 GMT -5
Well what could it hurt?I mean the associations besides FTA Indiana are not doing anything anyway are they?The FTA wrote a letter and the NTA hasnt even been ask to help so I hear,Chuck
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Post by jtrapper on May 7, 2008 17:53:40 GMT -5
Alabama Trappers & Predator Control Association was formed and funded by a group of live market trappers in 1993. Don't see many live market trappers serving in it now, lol.
I don't think you would get anything other than just another trappers association. Where's all of the pen owners? Id think they would be more upset about losing their markets for live game, so far ive not heard anyone mention them!
I know here none of them are organized a bit! If they were, we would of already had our live market back! Their loud mouth's though keep that a pipe dream! They need one person with a level head to speak for them all, so far all of them all have a different opinion and voice, usually very negative!
Chuck, I don't think NTA's been asked to help cause all the main player's in this harped for years FTA was the ONLY organization that actually helped trappers, guess they're getting their eye's opened now, lmao.
This issue has already ran off the track in my opinion and I doubt any good outcome will come from it now no matter who is or isn't involved!
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Post by foxcatcher1 on May 7, 2008 19:19:55 GMT -5
Maybe that would be a better angle.. Get live trappers, pen owners and HOUNDSMEN in on it. We have yet to hear much from our houndsman. What is going on there? Make it a game breeders association. Crap they might have one already........does anyone know?
Don
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Post by Rwaddell on May 7, 2008 21:21:21 GMT -5
Don, "IF" you included all game breeders and game preserves in a national association then YES it would be a definite benefit!
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Post by foxcatcher1 on May 7, 2008 22:15:40 GMT -5
Do you think you could get them to work together?? Some are for game bird preserves and others are for cervids. Could we get them on board with running pen owners. I'm not for sure of the dynamics of each group.
Don
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Post by Tim Rose on May 8, 2008 7:23:43 GMT -5
Jackie said "this whole thing has gone off track"
I agree....the anti's have made this into a animal abuse issue (to make it emotional) , when in reality it was only an enforcement issue...
We are willing to help/do whats needed to enforce the rules on the selling of coyotes, but is falling on deaf ears at this point because of the anti influx.
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Post by furbuy46 on May 8, 2008 9:22:09 GMT -5
Question. What good will it do to have a club in Indiana. We do not have any running pens to speak of in this state. The whole issue of running pens stems from the Lacy act . You can't transport animals alive acrossed state lines without necessary paper work. It will take vetinarians to get your paper work completed and they will not be cheap unless we have some that is willing to do it for next to nothing. Then you have the problem of a person in So.Ind. getting to a vet that may be 100 miles away. I think you guys are crapping in the wind on this live mkt. thing anymore.
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Post by Tim Rose on May 8, 2008 9:36:44 GMT -5
okay, lets give up...your right Got Conventions to go to anyway where I can drink beer and hang with my buddies, pass out awards and such...you know the important stuff....aslong as we got Trapping orgs,good buddies and atleast can trap some critters than I'm okay.... I do it for fun anyway.... lol....I'm just teasing with you Don, so don't get mad at me Don, are you okay with no more selling live coyotes at anytime of year? even during season? Are you okay with loosing markets no matter how big or how small?...can we sacrifice one in hopes of prolonging others? (who chooses which one to protect or sacrifice?) I thought Trapping Orgs were suppose to protect and defend all legal markets for the Trapper.... To me, I think the market (fur, etc.) has everything to do with trapping and if it lives or dies........ With no market (I mean ZERO) than what would you do with the critters you catch? You can only make so many mittens for X-mas gifts..... Protecting Legals Markets should be one of the primary goals of any Trapping Org, along with Protecting the right to Harvest the critters...... edited for bad spelling...lol
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Post by Tim Rose on May 8, 2008 9:55:36 GMT -5
I see on other sites where we (trappers) are kicked in the teeth for protecting a legal market.......well, if nobody is out there ready and willing to take the teeth kicking then we are in sad shape. We will never agree on everything....but if you break it down to the nuts and bolts we all agree on the basics.
Protect/defend your Trapping rights and the Markets that are currently available..........many will have different opinions on how that should be done, but I don't think many would disagree with maintaing, promoting and fighting for those two things.
So the "few" can keep kicking away......because when broke down to the basics we are doing the correct thing.
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