Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Sept 8, 2011 12:24:17 GMT -5
if you had any amount at all it would pay you to buy a dealers lisc, get it certified and probably double your money taking it to wierbke. they have us by the balls here in indiana, we as diggers only, HAVE to sell to an indiana buyer at less than the price everyone pays out of state. thank goodness they don`t do that on fur, or corn, or walnut logs, or heck, anything else. you can thank the good old idnr for that one too.
Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Sept 8, 2011 18:57:21 GMT -5
that`s why I never bough the lisc dave. I buy a fur buyers lisc just to hold fur year `round ( that`s b.s. too, does a logger have to sell his logs or buy another lisc if he holds his logs for a better mkt?), and the undercover wardens still call me regular wanting to sell me ginseng, lol, before season of course. I just hate that when they think everyone but them is stupid. of course I tell then #1 I don`t buy ginseng, #2 season is closed. then they say since you have a fur buyers lisc I figured you`d buy seng. then I say go arrest a drunk or something and quite pestering me. it does get old. our dnr did not used to be that way. of course what part of gov`t is now better than it used to be? imo, NONE! the son of a guns still call me all disgused wanting to sell me fur after season or buy live coyotes illegally. heck, anymore I even recognise their voices!
lakota I will pay as much or more that Weibke and have for quite sometime. They are honest people but can only pay so much on Indiana root. This stuff of anybody thinking they can get twice as much for Indiana root from somebody out of state, don't have a clue. Myself and 3 or 4 other buyers are real competitive on root prices in this state. Matter of fact, there is times that we run prices higher than we should. I would love to see your gonads if you was paying 800 bucks on a lb. on seng and getting a 25 dollar a lb. return on your money. I have bought seng and only made 5 bucks a lb. on it and that was with a large investment per. lb. This state at times, out pays lots of states that have better seng than we have. In other words, you have some of the best buyers in the country right here in your own state. If anybody thinks the buyers in this state is putting the screws to them, then they ought to go to the bank or have at least 100 grand of their own money to buy root with. Come on in, the root buyin is fun, but, get ready to have the ride of your life with your 100 grand. Oh and one other thing, 100 grand is really not enough money to think about buying root ifn you get to be a fairly big buyer. At this time there is a few buyers that are stuck with over a thousand lb. of roots they bought last year and could not sell for a profit. My understanding is these fellas have upwards of 600 bucks a lb. in their root. Boy wouldn't that be fun to own that much root and not have a home for it. The most I ever owned at the end of the season and was stuck holding it untill the next season was 300 lb. But, I only had about 400 a lb. average in it.
Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Sept 9, 2011 4:59:11 GMT -5
last root I sold was $400 here in indiana, at the same time weibke was paying the iowa boys$800. I got no horse in any race as not a buyer, just a digger. just saying what I experienced. any indiana buyer need defend nothing, no one can sell out of state anyway, a travesty in the law imo. if buyers here are top then no one would ever leave anyway, so it would be self curing , or limiting. but by golly I`d like the option or choice to sell anywhere in the country. I mean not like what I have is stolen illegal product I`m trying to fence..
lakota you do know that all states fall under the same laws the state of Indiana falls under. It is all federal law on seng except the root age. I think Indiana says a root must be 4 years old to be dug and federal law says the root must be 5 years old to be exported. All states in the seng program has to follow federal law when it comes to diggers being able to sell out of state. That law is, if you dig it in your state, then you must sell it in your state. I think one of our buyers in Indiana got into trouble last year for buying uncertified digger root from out of state. The feds also went to a lot of the peoples houses that sold to him from out of state. Far as that goes the feds came into all seng dealers last season and treated each and everyone of us like common criminals. Some of the buyers that have been around for years are not buying this year because of the sting operation. To me that was about as unconstitutional as you can get
Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Sept 9, 2011 12:40:12 GMT -5
to my knowledge that`s not true. in all states one does not have to be a dealer to get seng certified, to hold over as long as one wants, or to sell out of state. if it`s legal dug, no one should have to buy a dealers lisc to get seng certified, but we have to in indiana. that is how it is in indiana, and that`s not federal, that`s indiana. senfg is like live coyotes, they just plain don`t want anyone digging or buying. and again, they probably wonder why the country is in a rescession.
lakota you better look into federal regs. You can bet if there is any states that allow seng to be certified by a digger. it will be darn few. Personally I don't see how that is a possibility because of all the paperwork that must be filled out for the feds. If I was you and you lived in a state that allows diggers to export root I would watch my rear end real close. I buy seng from Illinois, Ky. and have bough from Minesotta and these guys all had to have the dealers license to sell seng out of state. If you think there is any states that allow the export of seng from the state by a digger, then would you please tell me what states allow this. I will then start to try to buy seng from these states after I check the regs on seng in that state.
Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Sept 9, 2011 16:09:52 GMT -5
you are probably right. enjoy your seng buying while you can as seng is just a notch down from `live coyotes and won`t be legal much longer no how no way anyway. just like any other business where a man can make money from nature. the dnr`s hate us all. I`m convinced of it. everything we do hey think is raping nature or cruel. as the sob sit in their plastic chairs. you and I will maybe die in he nick of time. but our kids and grandkids are scrud. the irony of it all is I just got a newsletter from our idnr detailing the put and take pheasant hunts, where they stock tame pheasants for guys to kill. if no one shoots them they all starve as the poor birds can`t even feed themselves. talk about hypocrite sob`s.
lakota ,that I agree on. Always did think the bird hunt thingy was weird because they won't let us sell live yotes. That is nothing but BS on their part, but, then, they are the people in charge. I think it is called athority and I know how to spell it the right way, but that is what cartman always says as he rides his little trycycle and has his little toy police uniform on.
Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Sept 9, 2011 17:15:03 GMT -5
I remember when they shut the hoosier natl forrest down to seng hunting. I called the dnr and talked to the head ginseng guy at the time, who`s name I don`t recall. it was all based on the had a little patch like 10 by 10 feet of seng located. they checked on it every year and one drought year they go look and it`s all gone so they determined based on that , that seng needed protected in the natl forest. I told the dunce it just went down from the drought and if he`d go look at the patch again next year it would all be there. but the deed was done, with that one guys opinion the hoosier natl forest was shut down. I see they still log in it, and everything else. what`s weirder about indiana ginseng law is there is no exception to seasons or selling stipulations for domestic seng where every single seed was planted on purpose and boughten and imported from out of state and on private deeded forest land. can you imagine if they put similar regs on a corn farmer for corn seed and corn harvesting/ selling? it`s crazy, and because we have folks running the dnr that have no clue at all, just appointees . and appartently heavy biased as antis. I`m really disgusted with our idnr. they are an embarassment to the state imo. there was a time they were the outdoorsmans friend and ally, no more.
Fishdaddy ,what you need to do is call that phone number and ask the person that answers the phone if you can sell out of state. Don't ever kid yourself. that is a federal regulation. All seng must be certified to leave the state it was dug in. In order for the seng to be exported out of this country it must have a certification paper with the seng. If you ever want to sell out of state, just call the people ahead of your ginseng program and tell them your going to sell out of state. If you do this, i would get ready for a visit from the fish and wildlife people , that is the feds. What people don't understand is, all states must be in the seng program the feds set up. If your not in that program, your seng can't be exported from this country to China. If you don't believe me, just try to sell out of state.
Post by fishdaddy on Sept 18, 2011 23:29:01 GMT -5
ok your right
West Virginia Code §19-1A-3a mandates that the Division of Forestry weigh and certify all ginseng roots dug in the state. Ginseng plants must be at least 5 years old or older and have at least 3 prongs before they can be harvested. Seeds from the plant must be planted on the site of the harvest. Ginseng must be certified before leaving the boundaries of the state. Only registered dealers can certify ginseng