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Post by wayne on Feb 22, 2008 12:05:46 GMT -5
Based on the few numbers I've seen the average live trapper sells about 400 animals, with an income of $34k on those animals.
I've heard the number 200 mentioned on the number of trappers in the live market game.
That works out to a $7 million dollar annual business.
You guys in the live market, do these numbers match YOUR experience. No specifics, just an opinion.
400 animals a year
$90 per animal
200 trappers
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Post by doyleflory on Feb 22, 2008 15:04:33 GMT -5
Have we thought about all the small timers who sell 15 or 20 a year?They add up to alot of yotes.
I have seen more coyotes in the last 30 days than all year?
Most all small timers was selling local to some one,not fur.
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Post by sawdust on Feb 22, 2008 17:27:33 GMT -5
2 trappers that were willing to share their harvest numbers sold nearly 70G worth of coyotes over the last several years.
multiply that by the number of trappers not contacted or those unwilling to share harvest/sale dollar numbers and the value must certainly be astonishing.
i'm still amazed that an official DNR document could state simply that eliminating even a portion of live market sales could have no economic impact.
there are some who reported all the income and paid taxes and then there were some who didn't report the income and handled the sales as a cash business. regardless, all that money went back into the state's economy. and as bob said, that was all money created from nothing by hard, hard working people.
i believe that the current way to beat this is to appeal to the governor's office and hammer the point about small business loss.
the emotional rhetoric must be shown to be false. bob, if you do have pictures of "tame" fox in a running pen, eating provided food, then you need to dig those out.
rebuttal photos to the disgusting pictures law enforcement director crider showed to the legislators must be made public.
the reality of a running pen needs to be shown when there is a hearing on this matter.
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Post by wayne on Feb 22, 2008 18:01:47 GMT -5
200 trappers with just 100 apiece would be $1.8 mill. on 20,000 animals. We're still talking about alot of money.
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Post by sawdust on Feb 22, 2008 20:41:02 GMT -5
"They showed no interest in including them in any dnr reports..."
Just as with your photos, when the fiscal impact assessment was being developed, i asked ms. petercheff if she would be interested in any harvest or live market sales data i could provide.
she told me she didn't need or want it.
from that point forward i knew the report was going to be bogus and that there was no chance for any rational discussion with fish & wildlife or law enforcement representatives.
her refusing valuable and pertinent information is pretty reprehensible and irresponsible.
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Post by mattbredeweg on Feb 23, 2008 10:46:14 GMT -5
 Then she says Oh yes I'll include those pics to ensure that this $#!t stops, chasing neglected coyotes that are to be torn apart by vicious hounds...... what a bunch of[font= Verdana] chit....[/font]most of these coyotes wouldn't live as long in the wild as they do in enclosures. That is a fact...it should be noted in "those" articles in the paper..... but it won't the enclosures have feed stations for yotes!!!
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Post by trapperknox on Feb 23, 2008 12:14:47 GMT -5
I hate people that are biased and ignorant.
Like the IN DNR, PETA(People Eating Tastly Animals), and HSUS. Good Lord, off of one pic and everyone goes nuts. I mean, honest to God, that was just one moron that ran the pen wrong. I hate that so much when people take one bad thing and make the whole thing bad.
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Post by wayne on Feb 23, 2008 17:17:39 GMT -5
When we had the meetings over the ADC permit changes they kept bringing up that case from back east where some Do-Do took a caged raccoon down to the marina and dropped it in the lake to drown in front of a weekend crowd.
We asked the DNR what complaints had been filed in Indiana, what problems had they seen to cause the need for the changes, and all we got was how we needed to be "Ahead of the curve."
The same thinking is going on here. There is no real problem, just someone who has the power to make changes and who wants another gold star on the old resume.
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Post by trapperknox on Feb 24, 2008 9:32:57 GMT -5
See those type of people should not be in government.
Some of them aren't, but then that megolomaniac feeling sets in.
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Post by trapperknox on Feb 24, 2008 19:06:02 GMT -5
You know I was eating dinner and was enjoying myself... until you mentioned collecting urine...
Still you have a good point.
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Then she says Oh yes I'll include those pics to ensure that this $#!t stops, chasing neglected coyotes that are to be torn apart by vicious hounds...... what a bunch of[font=Verdana] chit....[/font]most of these coyotes wouldn't live as long in the wild as they do in enclosures. That is a fact...it should be noted in "those" articles in the paper..... but it won't the enclosures have feed stations for yotes!!!