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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Aug 19, 2014 12:33:48 GMT -5
best to plant in the spring or fall? when is too early? does idnr treat it as wild the minute it hits the ground ,no matter if purchased from out of state? did you know there is a specialty crop disaster poayment program for the drought of 2,012 that was just approved in the 2,014 farm bill? it includes a lot of non traditional crops. the biggest ever payment in our county was to about 10 acres of seng under shades in the drought of `88. it was in the millions of $ and the guy retired and moved to florida. document your seed purchases and sales records and take lots of pictures. no need just the corn and bean farmers get new barns and trucks and buy up all the ground on the taxpayers dime. here is a true story. my wife bought some jeans at the local store. tried to take them back and they said no returns unless defective, but if the zipper happened to rip in the parking lot on the way out then she could return them for a full refund. isn`t that the poops.
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Post by DaveM on Aug 19, 2014 15:59:08 GMT -5
Listen to Don or Doyle, not me. Plant Sept 15 to Nov 15. (If possible, plant right before the leaf fall) And as far as I know, there is no difference in IN for cultivated or wild. Some states must be different or no one would be able to sell seed?
Lot of disaster stuff I don't agree with, but what is, is.
Bet those jeans ripped in the parking lot.
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Post by doyleflory on Aug 19, 2014 18:20:10 GMT -5
I wait just a little longer so we get the leaves and rain just before coyote season.I also mulch with what ever I can get cheap like straw less labour then let the trees finish the cover.
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Post by furbuy46 on Aug 20, 2014 0:11:10 GMT -5
For some reason, seed is sold pretty much with out anybody giving anyone any hassle. Don't look to be much regulating in the seed game. I think it is a bit weird.
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Post by mjkluesener on Aug 20, 2014 10:32:24 GMT -5
For some reason, seed is sold pretty much with out anybody giving anyone any hassle. Don't look to be much regulating in the seed game. I think it is a bit weird. With all the rules and regs on plants and harvest I'm surprised they aren't butting into the seed trade.
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Post by mjkluesener on Aug 20, 2014 12:04:48 GMT -5
From Purdue Ag;
A. Seedbed Preparation:
For planting seeds or seedlings, till the soil to a depth of 8 to 10 in., and remove rocks. For root planting, work the beds 12 in. deep. For best results, mix soil 1 to 1 with fiber-free woodland soil. Make beds 4 ft wide with alleys between them for walkways and for farm equipment. If the bed is on flat ground, mound the center to facilitate good runoff. Slope the walkways so they will drain water from the beds during heavy rains.
Shade can be provided by wooden lath sheds or polypropylene fabric. Artificial shade should be placed about 7 ft above the ground to ensure good air circulation. Do not use burlap or muslin, which can interfere with air circulation. (For more detailed instructions on how to provide artificial shade, see "American Ginseng Culture in the Arid Climates of British Columbia" by Oliver, Van Lierop and Buonassisi).
B. Seeding Date:
Ginseng seed is generally planted in the fall and covered with mulch until spring. It can also be spring-planted, but if seeding is not completed by May 1, the seed may begin to sprout prematurely.
Roots can be transplanted any time after the tops of the plants have begun to die back but before the ground has frozen.
C. Method and Rate of Seeding:
Plant seedlings 1/8 to 1/2 in. deep and 4 in. apart in the row. Space the rows 6 in. apart across the bed. The recommended seeding rate for a 4 ft wide bed with 2 ft wide paths between beds is 80 to 100 lb/acre. To keep the seed from drying out, the beds should be covered immediately with 2 to 3 in. of straw.
Plant roots at a 30° to 45° angle from the vertical, with the crown of the root 3/4 to 1 in. deep. Cover the bed immediately with 1 to 2 in. of straw. A 4 to 5 in. layer of mulch is necessary on fall transplants to prevent heaving in frost. Some of the mulch can be removed in the spring before the first shoots appear.
Set seedlings 8 in. apart in each direction. Closer spacing tends to increase disease in the plantation.
Light mulching (1 to 2 in. thick) to retain moisture during dry weather is advisable.
D. Fertility and Lime Requirements:
Heavy use of manure or commercial fertilizers lessens the resemblance of cultivated ginseng to the wild root and hence may reduce marketability. Over-manuring may also force growth and lower disease resistance. Although little research in ginseng fertility has been conducted, common practice has been to fertilize as for other root crops. Recommended rates are about 15 lb P2O5/acre and 60 lb K2O/acre for soils testing in the optimum range for vegetables (30 to 45 ppm Bray P1 and 140 to 200 ppm soil test K).
Nitrogen needs range from 20 to 60 lb/acre, depending on soil organic matter level. (However, some growers have been known to use considerably more.) Growers have tended to use lower-salt fertilizers, such as ammonium sulfate, potassium sulfate and potassium-magnesium sulfate. Although secondary and/or micronutrients are often involved in fertilization programs, little research has been conducted to confirm responsiveness.
Some growers fertilize with leaves or old hardwood sawdust or with ground-up rotted hardwood. Others prefer woodland soil or rotted leaves 4 to 6 in. deep, spaded to a depth of about 8 in. with fine raw bonemeal (1 lb/sq. yd.) worked in.
Fertilizers should be applied during the dormant season at least a couple of weeks before plants emerge.
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Post by jwr on Aug 20, 2014 20:32:56 GMT -5
Wonder if it will grow in central arkansas?
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Post by furbuy46 on Aug 21, 2014 0:21:16 GMT -5
MJK, ifin you plant seng roots or seed the way they tell you to do it in your explanation,you will have nothing but low grade Ginseng. What that is explaining is how to grow cultivated Ginseng. You want woods grown or simulated wild for the better money. The way that information explains growing seng, all you will have is a bunch of big heavy slick cheap root. Maybe from 10 to 50$ at best price range.
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Aug 21, 2014 4:59:14 GMT -5
don, give us your best advice for wildest looking product.
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Post by doyleflory on Aug 21, 2014 6:13:04 GMT -5
Best roots is rake the leaves back plant seed walk away and let nathere do its thing.
For got rake stuff back over the seeds wont hurt to mulch with straw or more leaves.
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Aug 21, 2014 6:40:10 GMT -5
it`s like kathys house cleaning. she says she is a no till house cleaner. you know what an autoclave is? it`s a pressure cooker thing that sterilizes surgical instruments. we had a montana autoclave, it got off the big sh##.
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Post by furbuy46 on Aug 21, 2014 10:57:56 GMT -5
Doyle knows how to make good Ginseng. Go by what he says.
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Post by mjkluesener on Aug 22, 2014 11:46:17 GMT -5
Thanks guys
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