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Post by rivertrapper316 on Sept 30, 2012 15:05:00 GMT -5
I would like to take the time to thank Jesse Melton and the hole 7B club for a hell of a good time and a fine Rendezvous. Job well done and my hats off to you guy . And also like to thank Charlie Masheck and all the crew for putting up with us all.
Jeff.
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Sept 30, 2012 15:45:28 GMT -5
let me remind all of you why fta split from nta many years back. it was because the fta faction accused the nta faction of letting the officers of the club of being dealers using the club and their position as officers to line their pockets for personal gain. thus dealers to this day can not hold office in fta. that does not apply to chapters, only the parent fta.
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Post by rivertrapper316 on Sept 30, 2012 16:04:35 GMT -5
Bob if I may ask , What dose your post have to do with mine  I just don’t see what you are trying to get at here Bob. Do you think that there is something wrong with having it there? I don’t thank that Charlie is getting rich off of the deal. I mean if a guy is going to buy supplies from him that is not the only time they can get them. I guess he is open five days a week or six and then there is the mail. Guys are going to buy or not, the Rendezvous has nothing to do with that. |
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Sept 30, 2012 17:29:44 GMT -5
yes there is something wrong with continually having at a dealers place of business. that is EXACTLY why fta split from nta. you think winkler or mtp or any one other than a tailgater is going to go set up shop in another dealers parking lot, or donate anything to amount to anything at a place where they wouldn`t dream of setting up? it needs to be back at heflin park or any other public place like it used to be. if there is nothing fishy or unscrupulous going on then it will be no prolem to remove any doubt at all that any one dealer is unfairly profiting from a trappers club. if you can`t see what that has to do with your post then I guess you can`t and no way I copuyld explain it to you. like steve craig says, how do you telloa man he diooesn`t know what he doesn`t know?. I`m told certain officers in 7b single handed axed the chance to have a joint meeting with ista a few years back. guess who. then guess why. it`s embarassing imo. everyone is in it for a buck. very very few pure hearts left in this world. bottom liner no trappers club should have any annual meeting in a dealers parking lot, especially if the dealer is an officer. there is no doubt in my minsd there is conflict of interest at the least and at the most a lot more. and no I am not a dealer. I don`t go set up selling anything at any meetings anywhere. and neithwer would any legitimate dealer. you think charlioe would go set up in winklers parking lot, or katz`s parking lot? I`m a lifer in fta and 7b , as are 4 more of my family mem,bers, but been too much of this kind of stuff so we just stay away now.
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Sept 30, 2012 17:59:20 GMT -5
let me add some more. katz bros havea trappers appreciation day, as do some pa dealers and also neil olsons trappers days in aine. they advertise it and throw it and promote it out of their own pocket and they get a captive audience to sell their goods to. nothing wrong wuith that. but none would be so audascious as to do it using a local fta club or state assn to do their advertising and etc with full knowledge they had a captive audience to sell to at the exclusion of every other major dealer in thje country. if it was a gathering of 10-20 folks, eh, what`s the difference. as I understanhd there are 4-500 attendees. think charlie does 50 grand gross that day? I`m at the stage in life I can calla spade a spade and it won`t matter if others can`t see it. I can and not too wimpy to say what I see. and what I see is not right. it`s a slap in the face to the reason fta even exists today. let charlie throw a trappers appreciation day or whatever, but on his own dime and time. fta 7b can have their meeting at heflin or anyplace that is public and charlie can load all his stuff up and truck down like any other dealer . that`s fair. having the meeting at charlies is not, and not ethical fior him as an officer to allow it, or his buddys thatrare officers to allow it. there is no wiggle room at all. it needs corredcted before the next meeting. then invite winkler and all the rest that generally show up at these type events. they may not have been turned away at charlies, but no way they would show to compete out of a truck against a guy in his own parking lot with a large facility and inventory right there. or at least disaffiliate from fta and change it to the hoosier trappers supply annual trappers appreciation day. then knock yourselves out.
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Post by doyleflory on Sept 30, 2012 18:01:41 GMT -5
I agree on that if Charlie wants to have one he should but 7b needs to be some place else not there.
Then if Charlie wants to set up that is fine.
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Sept 30, 2012 18:46:54 GMT -5
I wouldn`t be so irritated about it but I know this has been an issue before and just swept under the rug, again, and again, and again. and it`s aon account of $ that`s right $$$$$$$$$. not unlike the nta stuff, plenty complaints and no action. par is give someone an award for poor behavior dusguised as good behavior. just heard over the weekend the ista treasurer ran off with the treasury. luckily he was bonded so only the bonding company is out the money. and the guy responcible for him being bonded, the GOOD guy, the ista threw out as a un desuirable member. that was richard mcilvaine. I`m still mad about that and refuse to support ista because of it till they make that right. the point is a lot of trappers clubs have problems with things not being up and up. and not just deciding what colors to make the club patch. the illinois clubs have all had the treasurer run off with the money too at various times in the past. then the nta debacles of near a million dollars going to the ex vp of hsus. what`s next?
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Post by Rwaddell on Sept 30, 2012 19:25:09 GMT -5
It does need to moved periodically at a minimum.
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Post by rivertrapper316 on Sept 30, 2012 20:49:13 GMT -5
Ok bob I see your point but you did say you just stay away .
Here my point this is Your local chapter 7B what it is 30 mile or so from your house if you don't like the way it is run go get it changed. I just drove 220 mile to help out and will do it the next time it is held no matter where it is. It don't make a nuts to me where it is. And just for the record your # are off by at ½ at best.
Bob I was there all three days and was the last man out the gate this morning and if Charlie made the kind of money you say he is, well he is not selling trapping supplies LOL.
I under stand your point that on a dealer stand point that he has a advantage because it is at his place . There we come back to the same place it is your chapter, not all that far from your house so get it moved. I can tell you this if I felt as you do about a issue
Down here in are chapter you can bet I would be at my chapter meeting and get something done about it. But I am there anyway.
Bob I have the upmost respect for you and all ways have had . If I remember you was one of the forefather of that club back when it was started. But that don’t haft to stop when you it your golden years you still got a lot of good left in you don’t let it go to waste.
To tell you the truth one of the biggest problems I see with the hole thing today is there is a tone of people that can set behind a computer screen and tell how things need to be and should be . But when it comes time to do the work you look around and you see the same people time after time. It don’t matter if it is up there at 7B, 7C, 7G or where it is.
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Post by rivertrapper316 on Sept 30, 2012 21:18:40 GMT -5
Robert I don’t think that would be big deal..
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Oct 1, 2012 5:00:29 GMT -5
river trapper you have no clue. and you don`t know me a bit. "golden years". whahah. I`ll bet it`s right back at charlies again next year. fwiw, you do know the treaurer of your own cliub 7c stole the treasury a few years back . ask jery joe or jerry shilling about it. there are some very few of us good guys left, including the 2 jerrys. they`ll tell you straight. now let me tell you this. I have repeatedly spent time at the state house and at dnr hearings on my own dime and time and no one from 7b ever shows up, FOR 40YEARS. so what the heck would I want to attend a 7b meeting for? you think I can`t afford a meal? they are a do nothing group as far as defending trapping. that`s my bag, defend trapping, like why you can use coyote size snares now. that was me there at that hearting,. no one from 7b or 7 c in fact only one other guy showed up and he was from none of the fta clubs. there a few of us dioing the job the clubs alledge to do but they do not, so quit with the golden tear chit and realise what side your beread is buttered on and by who. yiou want to help trapping, show up at the statehouse or at a dnr hearing, not a social event.
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Oct 1, 2012 5:30:31 GMT -5
a social event with the primary function of a transfer of money under the disguise of defend trapping. lets call a spade a spade.
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Oct 1, 2012 6:28:03 GMT -5
was talking to my wife about this. fwiw she has ben as instrumental or more so in saving trapping in indiana as anyone, certainly more so than the whole fta 7b organisation . she said I should have just typed been there done that when rivertrapper says I need to get involved. and we have, been there done that, when it counted. and still are, just without any inviolvment in any clubs that are a detriment to the purpoase of our being . you all eat and be merry and change money, we`ll save trapping ourselves while you all are partying and back slapping we cool we cool. but don`t try to wheeze us. we`ve been around the block.
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Post by wolftrap on Oct 1, 2012 7:42:37 GMT -5
as i get on this site to say thanks i see these comments makes for a sad day. Bob i hate it that you are so bitter and hav been for a long time but the past is the past. the reason 7-B has our fall meet at hoosier trapper supply is that it is free to us no rent when we started this up agian in 2005 7-B had no money except for a cd heflin park rent was over 600 dollars . i too remember the days at heflin park i joined 7-B in the seventies at that park , so a man offers to let u have a meet at his place for free any sane mind wood go for it it is a win win for all and if charlie mashek sells some that day good for him . as rivertrapper316 stated ifyou feel you have a say because of your multi life memberships your skills and your love of trapping then forget the past and help make it a better future. i also respect your skills and desire to trap but as a person you lost it there imo . it is so easy to set home waiting to pounce on the computer and bash and fault any and all that does not think your way. all i wanted to do was say thanks to all those that showed up for set up tear down and all attendies hope to see you around this season . any other comments directed to me or 7-B just call me jesse melton current pres of 7-B 317-727-5423 as this is way more typein than i ever want to do thanks agian jesse
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Post by tired of scraping coyotes on Oct 1, 2012 9:22:32 GMT -5
when I threw my hands up with 7b ( over fiduciary improprietys I observed and were not corrected) they had way over 10 grand in the cking account AND 10 grand in a cd. that alone should have grown to 25-30 grand just with interst alone as for several years they had no or negligent expenditures and a few years even ceased having meetings or mailings or any observable activity. if someone told you only 600 bucks left, I think you should investigate where it went. if it was spent on legitimate uses,surely there are records, receipts, something. last time I pushed it I was told all the records are lost. if the records are lost,the bank that had the money, still to this day, has microfilms of cks written. I suppose what banks had it is lost information too. I doubt the same bank that has it today. "think my way". no, not my way at all, it`s fta bylaws about dealers not being officers ,and the very reason fta exists separate from nta. if 7b wants to operate independant of fta by laws then they need to disaffiliate with fta and run however they want to run. that seems a simple cure to the issue to me.
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I just don’t see what you are trying to get at here Bob. Do you think that there is something wrong with having it there? I don’t thank that Charlie is getting rich off of the deal. I mean if a guy is going to buy supplies from him that is not the only time they can get them. I guess he is open five days a week or six and then there is the mail. Guys are going to buy or not, the Rendezvous has nothing to do with that.
